Received: from 72.81.139.42 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jmitchel) by www.bigjar.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 May 2009 19:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49476.72.81.139.42.1243554166.squirrel@www.bigjar.com> In-Reply-To: <2C85A7B2BA06194785CDC7D8A2C1365F010ECA7F@NORTHSTAR.Sunburst.int> References: <2C85A7B2BA06194785CDC7D8A2C1365F010ECA7F@NORTHSTAR.Sunburst.int> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: FW: Question about the hotel's wireless capacity From: jmitchel@bigjar.com To: Mark.Elbaum@snbhotels.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6-rc1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Mark, You wouldn't necessarily need a PIX. Cisco routers can terminate end-to-end VPN connections now themselves. The VPN concentrator might be able to do it as well. I'd have to check. Thanks, Jason M. > I am with you on being wrong. I have a big problem on what these guests > keep expecting. > > The vpn edge replacement is an interesting topic. I have been thinking > about that myself since our performance discussions. > > I would assume we would have to go back to a pix. What can the existing > one handle? I assume not enough. Would we look to ebay again for a model > that could handle? > > We pay around 15k per year for cpoint support so might be worth > discussing. > > Mark D. Elbaum > Vice President Information Systems > Sunburst Hospitality Corporation > > > “THINK GREEN…and print this email only if necessary. Doing the Right > Things to Make a Difference �. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Mitchell > To: Mark Elbaum > Sent: Thu May 28 18:43:52 2009 > Subject: Re: FW: Question about the hotel's wireless capacity > > Mark, > > It depends on how much you like your guests. At first glance the 1841 > looks like overkill. But if you read the fine print, the 1841 can only > handle T1/E1 speeds. You would need the 2801 to handle multiple > circuits (like you have). > > Here's the link @ CDW: > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=699710 > > Now, you could also go one rung lower to the 800 series. The > equivalent routers are the 851 & 871: > > Here's the link to the 851 @ CDW: > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=788532 > > And from Cisco: > > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps380/ps6195/product_data_sheet0900aecd8028a9a9.html > > Or the 871 from CDW: > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=788536 > > And from Cisco: > > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps380/ps6200/product_data_sheet0900aecd8028a976.html > > It seems like if you want to use the router for a VPN connection at > full speed for lots of users you need the 2801. But the 851 or 871 > would be interesting as a replacement for the Edges. > > I can't believe they aren't providing their own box to do this. Can > their VPN concentrator support 100 connections? The more I think > about it, the more wrong this seems. > > Thanks, > > Jason M. > > > Mark.Elbaum@snbhotels.com wrote: > > Looks like the 805 reach EOL. They recommend the 1841. See link below > from CDW, would this work? > > > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=698140 > > > > > > From: Jason Mitchell [mailto:jmitchel@bigjar.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:40 PM > To: Mark Elbaum > Subject: Re: FW: Question about the hotel's wireless capacity > > > > Mark, > > It's possible to VPN's between different vendors, but it can be > painful. I'd see what they have first. If it's Checkpoint, you and > they could just program an Edge. If it's Cisco, then a small Cisco > router (805?) would do the trick. > > Thanks, > > Jason M. > > Mark.Elbaum@snbhotels.com wrote: > > It is a big group so the hotel might be able to foot the expense as they > do have a lot of requests like this. Do you have a model number in mind > that I can price out or is it something we can get on Ebay? > > > > From: Jason Mitchell [mailto:jmitchel@bigjar.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:18 PM > To: Mark Elbaum > Subject: Re: FW: Question about the hotel's wireless capacity > > > > Mark, > > Yes. I just had a thought. Can we buy (or get them to buy) something > like the Cisco VPN Hardware client? Something that we could put > outside the Antlabs and that all of their computers could be behind? > That would protect them from other guests and would eliminate this > whole problem. > > Thanks, > > Jason M. > > Mark.Elbaum@snbhotels.com wrote: > > One clarification. Right now the separate Ethernet lines in the > ballrooms go directly to the network; bypassing the Antlabs. I would > assume I would need to move those cables to the HP Procurve so the > Antlabs can manage. > > > > From: Jason Mitchell [mailto:jmitchel@bigjar.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Mark Elbaum > Subject: Re: FW: Question about the hotel's wireless capacity > > > > Mark, > > 15 for devices, 24 for the sleep from 126 (you lose two for the > network (.0) and the broadcast (.127)) leaves 87. Is that enough? > > Thanks, > > Jason M. > > > Mark.Elbaum@snbhotels.com wrote: > > We have 128 IPs on that Subnet, correct? How many should I tell the > hotel they would have for the Crowne then as we are using some of them > for devices? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > From: Jason Mitchell [mailto:jmitchel@bigjar.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:51 PM > To: Mark Elbaum > Subject: Re: FW: Question about the hotel's wireless capacity > > > > Mark, > > Well, I'd say 5 per DSL WAP. I did some research and it looks like > their are access points that can support 100 connections or more. The > link is: > > http://www.soi.wide.ad.jp/class/20040013/slides/09/76.html > > The problem is it's English translated from Japanese, so it's some > what confusing. > > As for the VPN you are correct that if they are all connecting to the > same IP then one public IP per person would be needed. I'm looking at the > Antlabs for the Crowne Plaza and it looks like someone changed stuff. I > remember adding IP addresses, but right now the address is > 12.153.62.15/26. Which means they could only use from 15 through 62 (48 > addresses). I can make the change, but it might boot people out. > > Thanks, > > Jason M. > > > Mark.Elbaum@snbhotels.com wrote: > > See questions below. > > > > My answer for the first would be about 5 to 10 per WAP. We do have 2 or > 3 direct Ethernet runs into the ballroom so we could purchase real WAPs. > At that point, I would think each WAP could handle 20 to 30 connections. > Thoughts? > > > > In regards to the 2nd, I would say they would limited by the number of > Public IPs as most of the VPN connections require a Public IP or at least > that is what we have seen. Yes? No? If correct, how many available IPs > do we have in Rockville? I guess if we needed a few more, we could > shrink the pool from the Sleep. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > From: 776gm rockville > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:58 PM > To: Mark Elbaum; Bill Hughes > Subject: FW: Question about the hotel's wireless capacity > > > > Can you guys help out with the request below? Emergent BioSolutions is > the company that does the big 100+ people meetings, typically with laptop > training. > > > > Can you please relay this question to April. Can she find out what the > capacity of their wireless system is as regards 2 items: > > 1-how many connections can it support > > 2-is there any limit as to the number of VPN tunnels it can support > > > > Thanks, guys! > > > > Chris > > > > Christopher A. Zindash > > General Manager > > 3 Research Court > > Rockville, MD 20850 > > 301-795-3277 - GM Office Direct > > 301-840-0200 - Hotel Switchboard > > 301-795-3273 - GM Direct Fax > > 301-258-0160 - Hotel Fax > > christopher.zindash@cprockville.com > > www.cprockville.com > > www.sleepinn.com > > www.snbhotels.com > > > > > > > > “THINK GREEN…and print this email only if necessary. Doing the Right > Things to Make a Difference �. > > ________________________________ > > From: 776bqt rockville > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:36 PM > To: 776gm rockville > Subject: FW: Question about the hotel's wirless capacity > > > > Chris can you help me answer this question. I also haven’t figured out > the Opera computer yet. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > April Judy > > Crowne Meeting Director > > Crowne Plaza Rockville > > 3Research Court > > Rockville, MD 20850 > > Tel 301.840.0200 > > Fax 301.869.3080 > > Direct 301.795.3279 > > > > > > "THINK GREEN…and print this email only if necessary. Doing the Right > Things to Make a Difference � > > ________________________________ > > From: Gaddis, Gloria [mailto:GaddisG@ebsi.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:44 AM > To: 776bqt rockville > Cc: Grunenwald, Mark > Subject: FW: Question about the hotel's wirless capacity > > > > Hi April – > > > > Can you answer Mark’s questions below? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gloria > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Grunenwald, Mark > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:43 AM > To: Gaddis, Gloria > Subject: Question about the hotel's wirless capacity > > > > Gloria, > > Can you please relay this question to April. 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